tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post8323138374036313450..comments2024-03-03T13:55:46.243-08:00Comments on Ambling Along the Aqueduct: Utah Will Soon Not Be A Good Place For Pregnant WomenTimmi Duchamphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00673465487533328661noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post-24418720258707711252010-07-17T22:57:54.499-07:002010-07-17T22:57:54.499-07:00This is Dr GETA STAENSCU
I live in USA since 1990....This is Dr GETA STAENSCU<br />I live in USA since 1990. Your article reminded me about another "small" detail. Either in my rural or in city clinics I met many times women answering to the habitual questions during a physical exam: ie first time period, last period, number of pregnanices( pay attention here) " up to 50 abortions I kept track, I can't remember how many after I had" Abortion was the only approved legal contraception method for women with minimum five births. As a medical doctor I've done my best to educate female population at list about the natural method. Legal consequence for me was being investigated many times by government of "why I teach women how to don't get pregnant".It seems that the consequences of the demonic demografic policy of Ceausescu era are not at all learned or seen by anybody in this world. Women deciding to abort no matter what and ending up death of septicemic shock leaving behind few small kids orphans; countless babies left in the hospitals by mothers who were runing right after they gave birth...It was no way to track them down as they came in the last minute of delivering and indentidfication of the mother was only verbal... ?? 35 and more years of pain were already forgotten? Nothing to be learned out of such desaster?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post-68876517248309741102010-03-01T15:14:15.979-08:002010-03-01T15:14:15.979-08:00This is part and parcel of what the LDS missionari...This is part and parcel of what the LDS missionaries, in company with the evangelical and pentacostal missionaries, plus help from the senators the House on C St. in D.C. have been doing with their meddling in African nations' laws: attempting to make it a criminal offense to be gay, and punishable by death to have had sex with a person of the same sex.<br /><br />This is is as outrageous as the divisive, very hurtful actions they're encouraging in Haiti, against vodoussants, by denying practicioners water, food, shelter and medical help, and not so subtly encouraging their Haitian 'surrogates' to take their machetes to their "witchcraft" practicing fellow citizens. This way lies civil war.<br /><br />Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post-66049994235865044592010-03-01T13:47:45.930-08:002010-03-01T13:47:45.930-08:00Am I right in thinking this law applies to miscarr...Am I right in thinking this law applies to miscarriages that happen early on? If so, there's something particularly creepy to me in that it is a change from LDS church doctrine - I believe that Brigham Young talked about life beginning at "quickening" (first kicks). What I find worrisome is that the Mormon Church is coming out of its own doctrine (and state, in the case of the anti-gay legislation they helped enact in California) to merge with the broader Christian Right. As an expatriate Utahn myself, I've been following the goings-on for a few decades, and this is new.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07261156769469311687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post-60933948488323403602010-03-01T13:47:35.464-08:002010-03-01T13:47:35.464-08:00Looking at the text of the law (http://le.utah.gov...Looking at the text of the law (http://le.utah.gov/~2010/bills/hbillenr/hb0012.htm), I noticed a minor but highly cynical detail. For decades conservatives have been saying that "he" means everyone when it comes to the rights of women - so no need to ammend rights to be gender-neutral. But when trying to lock women up for miscarriages, they made a special point of crossing off "he" and replacing it with "the person", presumably to head off a defense that the law only applies to men that cause a woman to miscarry but not the woman herself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post-58545655190409938562010-03-01T11:01:16.279-08:002010-03-01T11:01:16.279-08:00El Salvador's law is different. It is aimed at...El Salvador's law is different. It is aimed at amateur abortions being disguised as miscarriages when they go awry. Here's a description of the law, via Catholics for Choice:<br /><br><br />El Salvador has one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the world, resulting from the 1997 reform of the Penal Code to withdraw all legal grounds for abortion, including to save the life of a woman. The sentence is life imprisonment for anyone, including the woman herself, who induces an abortion. In 1999, El Salvador also amended its Constitution to recognise human life from the moment of conception.<br /><br><br /> Utah's law covers actual miscarriages (which are inadvertent). Because of Roe v. Wade, not all abortions can be criminalized (particularly not early ones-- & of course most miscarriages occur in the earliest stage of pregnancy). It will allow prosecutors to punish behavior they decide is "risky" (being married to or living with a batterer, walking down the street by yourself at midnight, sports activity, drinking, smoking, prostitution, bulimia, drugs of any sort including over the counter, who knows, maybe staying up too late at night or working too many hours a week-- if the prosecutor think it's behavior that's risky for the fetus & can get medical opinion to say that it probably put the fetus at risk...) It sounds like there's a lot of room for arbitrary interpretation. <br /><br><br />It all sounds crazy as I try to imagine scenarios in which the law would actually be used. I guess we just have to hope that no doctor or prosecutor is likely to blame a woman for getting beaten up or think that because someone saw her drinking a glass of wine or smoking a cigarette she endangered the fetus. When I wrote the post I was thinking of this law more in terms of underlying assumptions about women than as a tool that might actually be used to wreck people's lives. Sadly, though, we know that common sense doesn't rule zealots. So it does seem likely some prosecutor will wait until the "perfect" exemplary case comes along to apply it-- a woman known to be using drugs, say-- a case in which public opinion will be inclined to condemn her because her behavior marks her as deviant.Timmi Duchamphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00673465487533328661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post-1097918474094379592010-03-01T01:36:40.583-08:002010-03-01T01:36:40.583-08:00Am I right that this is in one way more punitive t...Am I right that this is in one way more punitive than El Salvador, inasmuch as you're exonerated there if it's established that you've miscarried? Or am I misunderstanding that country?Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914730499199048197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post-1656361353315612072010-02-28T19:21:18.046-08:002010-02-28T19:21:18.046-08:00I'm reminded of James Tiptree's prophetic ...I'm reminded of James Tiptree's prophetic words in <i>The Women Men Don't See</i>:<br /><br />"Women have no rights, Don, except what men allow us. Men are more aggressive and powerful, and they run the world. When the next real crisis upsets them, our so-called rights will vanish like — like that smoke. We'll be back where we always were: property. And whatever has gone wrong will be blamed on our freedom, like the fall of Rome was. You'll see."<br /><br />Feminists have been accused of "causing" 9/11 and for the deterioration of the family. Now reproductive rights are being rolled back, and false multiculturalism allows barbaric customs vis-à-vis women to persist in immigrant communities.<br /><br />Perhaps we don't deserve the stars, after all.Athena Andreadishttp://www.starshipreckless.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5360814020056871156.post-77588548799057839552010-02-28T15:48:13.754-08:002010-02-28T15:48:13.754-08:00Beyond creepy.
As much as the field seems to desp...Beyond creepy.<br /><br />As much as the field seems to despise Margaret Atwood, <i>The Handmaid's Tale</i> at least, seemed to me back when published to be prescient.<br /><br />Now it's is nearly real life for most women in the U.S., even without that damned gloss of handmaiden sex stuff.<br /><br />We're getting closer every year. With all that's gone on during our brief window of liberation, which has now turned into fighting for right to be pole dancers and throwing up drunk and date raped, what comes next may be worse than what went before that brief period of liberation brought about via our ability ourselves to control our reproductive lives.<br /><br />Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.com